It’s good to know that the IH class has lasted well for Denmark, it’s a good sign. The Americans tried this with the early Mk-41 VLS’s on the Ticonderoga class ships and found it to be excessively dangerous so scrapped it for future vessels. All of that is possible (not necessarily all at once on the same ship) if we structure for rapid module deployment with associated specialist teams. So what are you giving up to fund this? So other options could be available. Shouldn’t it burn bright? I was quietly hopeful the government would have stepped in once a good value baseline ship was attained and provide a little extra money for cells and ASM’s but it doesn’t look to be the case. So, it is natural to assume any money to buy more T31 comes from cutting something else in future. Unfortunately, according to the plans it is a coincidence, if ISSGW makes it to these vessels it will be 2033 to 36 at the earliest if the future weapon is not delayed, seeing how long sea venom a much more simpler missile has taken I think it will be more 2035-40. My point was that running on one diesel in a NATO URN hull meant it could be good at ASW. No, you made a fair point, it is difficult to imagine anything outside of a coalition requiring more than the single group we could probably generate, an evacuation, littoral manoeuvres and such. Note with mission modules we aren’t losing the specialisation, we are simply separating from a dedicated platform. who used overwhelming air support to neutralise the radars and aircraft deployed around the airfields, then targeted the RN ships. The new Type 31 frigate will occupy a curious space in the RN force. Armed with Sea Ceptor missiles and with a core crew of 105 sailors, the first Type 31 is expected to be in the water in 2023, with all five delivered by 2028. The T31 costs less and probably has more new equipment than T26. US Africa command recently downgraded I believe. The Type 31e frigate, also known as the Type 31 frigate or General Purpose Frigate (GPFF), is a planned class of frigate for the United Kingdom's Royal Navy intended to enter service in the 2020s alongside the more capable Type 26 frigate.. As can be seen, T31’s armament is very similar to Damen 10514, Gowind2500 and Al Khareef class corvettes (albeit lacking SSM and ASW capabilities). Cut T26, cut LPD-R, cut SSS. I think it is an Inspired decision. We are pleased to be selected as the delivery partner of choice for the new Assembly Hall.”. That broadside leaves a gap on the sides between the gun arcs of the 40mm Bofors so I think getting 30mm guns either side should be included, otherwise 360 degree defence is somewhat weakened seeing as martlet being added is pretty much peanuts is a no brainer for me. I agree you could see things evolve this way. 1. – Which ammo type is best to engage missiles and which is best to engage aircraft? The lines will initially be used for the Type 31 general purpose frigate programme being built and assembled at its Rosyth facility. Certainly if we decide to fly the T31 flag directly off the coast of N.Korea or some other looney state (and I don’t count Iran in that category, they are far more calculating and rational) then we invite trouble – but why would we do that, we don’t have to taunt nations in order to send a message. The Type 26 frigate or City-class frigate is a class of frigate being built for the United Kingdom's Royal Navy. @Mikekilopapa – My points were in answer to stevep who stated almost as such that diesel was rubbish. Okay, I know the latest Type21 upgrades allow for maximum support effort, but just how good will these improvements be in five years? Looking at T31-RFI, it was looking for – a 110m long, 3500-4000t ship, 27knot speed with > ~6000nm range – armed with a gun, a helicopter, and “a SAM system (FTR) or a CIWS”, – SSM and ASW not mandatory – a Wildcat, and 4x RHIB, and 4x 20-ft containers In other words, “a long-range corvette with typical armaments of a corvette of the day”. And not forgetting TLAM as well, but more effective when launched covertly by Subs by surprise. The idea is to preposition capabilities to get as far in front of the carriers as possible. On 12 September, the United Kingdom government confirmed that it had selected the Babcock-led consortium with its Arrowhead 140 design as the preferred bidder to build the Royal Navy’s new Type-31 general-purpose frigate. T45 short on AAW cells, T31 short on most things and river b2s with nothing useful to bring if a situation turns hot on a 2000t hull. I am just struggling to come up with a scenario where its only the UK that’s reacting. I. E. Hms Kent 1977, 4 x 4.5 in two twin turrets. I certainly don’t have the answer to that. There’s Brunei, anyone else going to help the Sultan out, I’m not even sure we should. You’re assuming the availability of a friendly nation that has an airport to fly the equipment into a suitable road network to the port and a port that has the facilities to crane the equipment onto the vessel(Not all ports that handle shipping containers have a crane suitable to hoist equipment onto a warship especially if your concerned with Health and Safety). Babcock's "Team 31" design is derived from the Iver Huitfeldt frigates developed for the Danish navy. Only fair, given that the Treasury decided to shove a load of it’s spending commitments into the defence budget to hide cuts. To some extent I agree in regards to 5inch and 57mm but I can’t see the RN doing that as it is a capability to help justify the expense of T26. It is about much use for ASW as a fish finder. I do not think we are going to be putting them in the Caspian Sea where a T45 dealt with 17 separate aircraft at the same time, these vessels are going to be utilised in constabulary type tasks – in the Gulf and Mediterranean, in some cases in the West Indies. Re: Type 31 & Type 32 General Purpose Frigate [News Only] Post by donald_of_tokyo » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:16 pm Jensy wrote: Looks like this site's hive mind was working in the right direction: On the other hand, if it is “within” the agreed budget, it is relatively free to “shift” (e.g. Ships have high utility, but a fleet has to have a certain mix of hulls with crews worked up on those hulls and the systems they carry. Nemo. No. Has this been confirmed? A large-hull, long-range corvette. This would total 440 4 less cells than current projected total! in the Middle East, Africa and Latin America, where we need to look for other new market -and which are considerably less stable than Europe and to where we will have to export stuff in ships rather than 14 wheelers through the channel tunnel.. Stevep Totally agree. The Western North Pacific is swarming with submarines. The module hall will be large enough for the assembly of two frigates side-by-side. Even on 2036 from now it’s 16 years. I’d agree. There are probably people on here that could give you a better answer, but I’ll give it a go: The shape of the hull has a significant affect on performance, but the way that the water moves over the hull surface can also create turbulence in the water, which transmits as sound that subs can hear. Furthermore this is about getting Warships the RN can afford and do the majority of the day to day work of the navy. Montevideo, January 7th 2021 - 03:29 UTC. Unfortunately. The ship isn’t the systems. We share a lot of our missile systems with France. Yes they did they didn’t? The detailed design work for a 57mm is different for a 76mm, is different for 127mm & 40mm (& different between BAE & Leonardo). Standing at 147 meters long, the hall at Rosyth includes 30-metre high ‘megadoors’ and will be able to accommodate two of the 138.7-metre vessels being assembled at the same time side by side. Admirals of many navies have historically given lip service to mines and it is deeply concerning that there appears no dedicated replacement for specialist mine countermeasures vessels. 41 that would be of real use to the RN, is the rocket launched torpedo ASROC. T31 none planned (T23 have old Harpoon block 1). – What types of anti-ship missiles have either gun been tested against? You are only getting TLAM SCALP etc. However, the weapons qualification issue has swung me to Sylver, in light of the need to prep for Perseus, etc. The reality is that these ships will not fire a missile in anger in their lifetime. The only warpon that is qualified for launch from Mk. The 57mm can do the same job as the Martlets, has about same range. It is a fight for the naval gun market in Western world. Babcock’s Team 31 has selected the in-service Iver Huitfeldt frigate design as the baseline for their offering. Well I guess first of class should be called Sir Robin then I think we get to the GP capability you outline with mission modules as I outlined just above but we do need to have enough of them. Not such a good thing in a saturation type attack (lucky there is all those AAW missiles). However, I admit, T31 as is, will go ahead. I know that’s the “everything works out perfectly” point of view, but I don’t think that any of it is completely unrealistic; the British government will have to get behind British industry, and they’ll have to work together to sell their product hard. These vessels are also lacking point anti submarine defence (no 324mm Stingray launchers) so we can only assume that the RN planners have managed this risk and others when deciding where these assets are going to be deployed. I’ll be surprised if the Hunts and Sandowns are replaced with dedicated MCMV. I find this hard to accept seeing that steel has to be cut in 2021 and the Type 31 design is based on an existing ship. They don’t work. It is like advocating we buy C130 and use it for everything from fighter to CAS to basic pilot tainting to transport. Royal Navy - Type 31 frigate is late According to a statement by the State Secretary of the British Ministry of Defense, Sir Stephen Lovegrove, to the Chairman of the Committee on Public Accounts (in the House of Commons) of 20 January, to the first Type 31 frigate of the Royal Navy until May 1, 2027 in service can be provided. Sad really. The Royal Navy has picked Babcock’s Arrowhead 140 proposal as the preferred design for its Type 31 frigates. Not that such things should be considered essential items or anything…, Oh god, don’t get me started on that. 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