Would the .450 BM with a .450 grain bullet be effective in hunting Bison, thanks. That’s about middle of the pack for this carbine.  =  Is it a proprietary magazine to the 450 or does one .556 magazine feed the .450 better than the other? So, if you’re looking to blast a hog, take down a deer across the field, or place in the top scorers at competition, you don’t want to overlook the .450 Bushmaster. There are several reasons I got into shooting .450 Bushmaster. Thanks again. It may be that it needs to wear in more. I built a 450bm last year I love the round shoots great but I’m still having feed issues. I shot two one at 195 yards and other at 140 yards. I’ll have to try out a new scope for it too, seeing as the optic I had for my 5.56 wasn’t really cutting it. It does pack a serious punch to your shoulder, even with the Buttstock that I bought for it. Bought 5 different magazines, because of all of the trouble people have posted about feed problems. I mounted a Leupold VX R 3x9x40 in Warne QD 30mm rings. A unique load for the .450 Bushmaster is Hornady’s new Subsonic offering. Do you think Ruger would consider making a .450 Bushmaster in semi auto just like the .44 magnum they’ve made for years? However, I presume the author had an only momentary lapse when he said the 5.56 was commonly used in WW2 and the Korean war. In the shtf, it is perfect for reloading using 45 acp bullets. The .45-70 Gov’t and .450 Bushmaster are both called straight-walled cartridges. 269-979-4331 var notice = document.getElementById("cptch_time_limit_notice_4"); His experiences with the M-16/AR-15 would have been entirely post military. Required fields are marked *, (function( timeout ) { Sighting in was fairly straight forward. James Tarr runs through the 3-Second Headshot drill. We’re in the process of verifying the information and updating the article. Article never mentions .223 used by Col Cooper in Korea. Your discussions, feedback and comments are welcome here as long as they are relevant and insightful. Time limit exceeded. Added a 300 BLK recently and may get out of 7.62mmx39 altogether since there are more bullet loadings in 300 BLK that make it more versitile than 7.62×39. I was shooting Hornady Black 250gr and Remington Premier 260gr. What would be the cost of turning my Bushmaster .223 into a .450 Bushmaster and what parts will be needed? Please be respectful of others. I’ve had no problems with feeding or extraction. Hornady notes that functioning with subsonic ammo is totally dependent on the gun’s gas system. Both shot well but the Hornady grouped a little better. Maybe I’m a terrible shot. I hand load so I experiment on a regular basis. I’m loading it with Hornady XTP Magnum 300 & 243 grain hollow points, which have worked terrific on game with my .45 colt carbines at these velocities. They do make one for the AR platform too. I hate to tell you this, but 5.56 rounds were not used in WWII or Korea. I just purchased a ruger 450 American rifle with a 22in barrel over the typical 16. The bullets even look similar. But the main reason ended up being the fact that I could use this cartridge in places that I couldn’t use traditional bottlenecks. The .450 BM is exceptionally accurate out of an AR-15 platform using the Hornady 250gr. With a few tweaks to the upper assembly, I created a killer weapon that wasn’t too hard on the wallet. I doubt that Colonel Cooper had much contact with 5.56 rounds during World War II or Korea. Also, to maximize range, you’ll want a high-quality scope like the EOTech XPS Holographic. Make sure you plan to get single stack style magazines though as the offset double-stack AR type mags just don’t feed this round well. Shopping with us is absolutely safe - you never have to worry about credit card safety when shopping here... Share your latest AR build or photos from the range with #RangeDayFriday for a chance to win a new firearm! How does this weapon compare to my Marlin 444? Winchesters .450 Bushmaster ammunition is a great choice for deer hunting. If you go with a bolt action gun you can really step up the performance, but even with toned down AR you can get Barnes 450 TTSX BT 250gr factory. Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window). The 450BM is an excellent “brush gun” caliber as well. Certainly did the job. Bolt Action and Break Action Single Shot Rifles Only, AR rifles and Break Action Single Shot Rifles Only, dogngoose We reserve the right to edit as appropriate, delete profane, harassing, abusive and spam comments or posts, and block repeat offenders. The 5.56 NATO rounds commonly used by military forces at the time just weren’t enough for him. Hornady says it’s “silent and stealthy.”. I’ve been wanting to get more info on this rifle round. Next, we pit subsonic rivals against each other before stretching the legs of this CQB round out to 600 yards from a short 9-inch barrel. The small arms ammunition in use for rifles in WWII And Korea includes 30-06, .30 carbine, and .45 ACP (Thompson machine gun). 1” at 100 yds for the FTX and 1.4” at 150 yds For XTP. if ( notice ) I am not a professional just a hunter trying out this combination because I have been looking for a new deer rifle. The .450 BM definitely is and improvement over the 30 caliber in power and Muzzle energy. Good article except 5.56 NATO rounds were not commonly used by military forces during WWII and the Korean War. Hornady’s Subsonic line also includes .300 Blackout, .30-30 Win., and .45-70 Gov’t rifle cartridges and 9mm Luger, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP handgun chamberings. He jumped hard to the left and disappeared into the brush. If you have a Mossberg Patriot 450 or a Savage Apex you will need a standard detachable magazine (.308, .243..length) to use the HV ammunition (Mossberg  P/N 95347). All comments are held for moderation and will appear after approval. This is an interesting article, but I shy away from calibers that are costly to shoot. When he turned slightly and opened the right shoulder I shot. They just weren’t that common. With as much energy as this cartridge generates, you’re going to get a larger range. ×  48 The average distance war time kills of soldiers is less than deer. A 250 ftx @ 2500 fps is a heavy hitter. I would like to see a comparison with the .460 Magnum. Oh it has a kick and it’s very loud even with the muzzle break. At 65 yards a perfect between the eyes. If so can you send me a link to the magazine that you recommended we try to have the best experience possible. Weighs a hair over 6 1/2 lb with a Hawke slug IR scope … it is currently my favorite deer gun, and the best brush gun I have ever used. We want you, our readers, to be able to make informed decisions. I’m going to guess you meant the M1 Carbine 30 caliber which was basically under powered for what it was used for. As for accuracy, the load averaged 1.47 inches for three, five-shot groups at 100 yards. Return / Warranty Policy I built and upper out of quality parts. I haven’t checked out your blog before. PS my scope cost more than the gun. I’m sure he meant the .30-06. A posse of medium-game hunters that were itching to use their AR’s flocked to ammo shops and many ended up choosing the .450 Bushmaster because of its reasonable price. The .450 Bushmaster wasn’t widely used until recently, and now, the round is being produced by major manufacturers including Federal, Buffalo Bore and Remington. six The .300 Blackout is here to stay, and we take some time to look at new technology surrounding this cartridge. This fat bullet has an impressive ballistic coefficient of .300 and a sectional density of .276 that aids penetration. I agree that you should really look into getting mags specifically for it. Faxon 18” barrel, Aero precision XL upper receiver, Faxon bolt carrier group, buffer spring and buffer recommended for 450 BM. Yea the 450BM is a nice round for Deer in Michigan. })(120000); I need more time with this gun. I will be a regular from now on. The HV ammunition is too long to fit in the magazine and the action of the Howa Mini action. Shoots at 2450fps out of my scout and 2550 out of the CVA (25″ barrel). In your article When you mentioned having to switch out the standard .556 magazine, and you recommended LANCER. Can’t rely on maltable shots. When Col. Jeff Cooper, a United States Marine who fought in WWII and the Korean War, was in the heat of battle, he needed rounds he could depend on for powerful, armor-piercing shots and deadly accuracy. Have you tried the .450 Bushmaster cartridge? It deftly out-performed the .350 Legend at the 250 to 300-yard range. Thanks for sharing. They say you can use standard AR-15 mags, but I had a ton of feeding issues, and most of the time, I just ended up feeding them manually one by one. The gun has a lot of recoil and rise. Considering how popular the .270 Winchester has become, it's a great mystery why more .270... A half-century in the making, the new DGX Bonded is Hornady's best-ever dangerous-game bullet. Will the parts have to be sent to a FFL or can they be shipped directly to me? A relatively new change in gun laws makes it so that hunters in the Midwest can now use straight-walled cartridges in their semi-auto weapons. Hell maybe ill just buy both. }. You can easily paper patch lead slugs. First I wanted to say thank you for all the information. Savage Axis action using a Rhineland 16” barrel with 1/16” twist. I like the Precision Armament Hypertap because it effectively mitigates the powerful blast generated by .450 BM. The average range for deer kills is 125 yds. I shoot the Ruger American and love it. Very informative. But compared to my 308’s, the 450BM is not accurate. Bushmaster .450 Effective Range. More likely to get a pass through and also makes it easier on longer shots with much less bullet drop vs the stock Hornady ammo. I took it to range with several boxes of Hornady Black 250 grain. Site by Erdody Studios, Coming Soon: 280 Grain HV-Muzzleloader Bullets. If you want to go past 200 yards I would suggest a high BC copper Bear Creek Ballistics round. |   It shot 2″ low at 200yds. timeout Hey good article. It’s loaded with the company’s 395-grain Sub-X (Subsonic–eXpanding) bullet that is designed to expand and penetrate but not break up. The 5.56 x 45 NATO wasn’t in use during World War II and Korea. The AR ammunition will fit all AR and bolt actions with standard 2.25″  length magazines 2.25″. Col. Cooper was dissatisfied with the .233/5.56 x 45, and helped with the development of what eventually became the .450 Bushmaster, but it was for its use on Large Game out to 250 yards, not its use as a battle rifle. It’s great for clean, quick and humane kills on medium-sized game like deer, elk, hogs and some bears. Pace that out to 200 yards, and I was still getting some great accuracy. Rifle loves the 250 grain FTX and 300 grain XTP-MAG Pushed by Lil Gun powder. Not sure.. I’m ok with the 5.45mm NATO. I’m good for 20-30 rounds at the range with it before I just don’t want to put anymore impact on my bruised shoulder. I would not suggest a 0 power EOTech XPS2-0 Holographic, you need a decent 3-9x. function() { The .450 BM is also very reasonably priced. Speaking of scopes, let’s talk building. Boom. Velocities are 2236 and 2995 FPS respectively. The rounds commonly used by military forces at the time just weren’t enough for him. If you want pass-through for blood trails the FTX tends to break apart on bone = 1 hole and less blood trail. I’m not sure how it will perform when its 30, in a tree but its lighter and pretty manageable for the longer barrel. Sub-MOA is not at all unusual. Did a complete pass through with a good blood trail.